Scrutiny grows over LA fire origins after bombshell report: 'Our Pearl Harbor moment'

LA Fire Blaze Sparks Concern Over Response to Lachman Fire

The recent revelation about the Los Angeles fire department's (LAFD) initial response to the Lachman fire, which reignited and contributed to the devastating Palisades fire, has raised more questions than answers. The small brush fire, just 8 acres in size, was largely extinguished hours after it broke out on New Year's Day, but firefighters were still ordered to leave the site despite concerns that the ground was smoldering.

According to a series of bombshell reports by the LA Times, including text messages revealing that firefighters spoke with their battalion chief shortly after the Lachman fire broke out, the department's response has been marred by controversy. Firefighters were told to roll up their hoses and leave the site just one day later, despite reporting to their superior that it was a "bad idea" to do so due to visible smoldering.

The Palisades fire, which ignited five days later, ravaged large parts of Pacific Palisades, Malibu, and Topanga, ultimately killing 12 people and destroying over 6,800 structures. A man has been arrested and charged with maliciously igniting the Lachman fire, but questions remain about how leaders at the LAFD responded to the initial blaze.

The city's mayor, Karen Bass, recently appointed a new permanent chief, Jamie Moore, who will spearhead an investigation into the handling of the Lachman fire. However, critics argue that this is not enough and that a full, independent inquiry is needed to ensure transparency and accountability.

Zev Yaroslavsky, a former LA city councilor and current director of the Los Angeles Initiative at UCLA's school of public affairs, believes that the events surrounding the Palisades fire warrant an independent investigation. He compares it to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor, saying that something always goes wrong in a fire, but this is on a scale that requires a different approach.

Yaroslavsky also points to recent technical issues with emergency warning systems as evidence of the LAFD's need for improvement. The system sent an alert meant to be a test to everyone in LA county instead of just South Pasadena, raising questions about the department's preparedness and response.

Bass' office has stressed that the city has taken steps to implement new tools and processes to improve preparedness and response to fires, but critics argue that more needs to be done to restore confidence in the fire department.
 
I'm so worried about this ๐Ÿค•. The fact that firefighters were told to leave the Lachman fire site just one day after it broke out is insane. I mean, come on! You can't just roll up your hoses and walk away from a blazing fire ๐Ÿ”ฅ especially when there's still smoldering hotspots. It's basic safety protocol.

And now, 5 days later, we have the Palisades fire that ended up killing so many people and destroying thousands of homes ๐ŸŒฒ๐Ÿ˜ข. I'm not buying the excuse that the new chief is looking into it. We need an independent investigation ASAP to get to the bottom of this. The city's mayor needs to do more than just appoint a new chief and claim everything will be okay ๐Ÿ’โ€โ™€๏ธ.

And let's not forget about those technical issues with emergency warning systems ๐Ÿ“ต. It's not just about fires; it's about public safety in general. We need real action, not just empty promises from the city officials. This is a major concern for our community, and we deserve better ๐Ÿ”’๐Ÿ’ฏ
 
I'm not sure if a permanent chief is enough to shake off the doubts about the LAFD's response to the Lachman fire ๐Ÿค”. I mean, Jamie Moore's appointment feels like a band-aid solution at best. A full, independent inquiry is probably what this situation needs - someone with an outside perspective who can dig into all the technical issues and communication breakdowns that led to the Palisades fire being so devastating ๐Ÿ˜•.

And yeah, the recent warning system debacle just adds fuel to the fire (no pun intended) ๐Ÿ”ฅ. It's not just about the Lachman fire, it's about the bigger picture of how prepared we are for emergencies in LA. We need concrete changes, not just a new face at the top ๐Ÿ“ˆ.
 
๐Ÿš’๐Ÿ˜ฌ I'm not surprised at all. Another fire, another cover-up ๐Ÿคฅ. The fact that they just walked away from a burning fire is insane. What's going on with these firefighters? Don't they know what they're dealing with? It's like they're playing a game of chance, hoping no one gets hurt ๐Ÿ’ธ. And now 12 people are dead and over 6,800 structures destroyed ๐ŸŒ†. That's not just a fire, that's a tragedy. We need to get to the bottom of this and make sure something like this never happens again ๐Ÿ‘Š.
 
THE LAFD'S RESPONSE TO THE LACHMAN FIRE HAS BEEN A BIG DEAL!!! ๐Ÿš’๐Ÿ˜ฌ I MEAN WHO LEAVES A SMALL BRUSH FIRE BEHIND AND EXPECTS EVERYTHING TO JUST EXTINGUISH ITSELF?!?! ๐Ÿคฏ IT WAS A BAD IDEA AND PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. ๐Ÿ’ก THE PALISADES FIRE WAS DEVASTATING AND 12 PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES, PLUS THOUSANDS OF HOMELESS BECAUSE OF THAT ONE DECISION. ๐Ÿ˜” I'M TOTALLY WITH ZEV YAROSLAVSKY ON THIS ONE, AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION IS NEEDED, NO KIDDING. ๐Ÿšจ WE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY THE CITY'S LEADERS DIDN'T ACT SOONER. ๐Ÿ’ฌ
 
๐Ÿš’๐Ÿ˜ฑ just saw this about LAFD's response to Lachman Fire & it's giving me PTSD - 8 acres of brush fire & they leave the site just 1 day later because it was "smoldering" ๐Ÿคฏ, while 12 people lost their lives in Palisades fire that sparked 5 days later... something is seriously wrong with this department ๐Ÿ‘Ž and we need an INDEPENDENT investigation ASAP ๐Ÿ’ผ
 
Ugh, this is getting ridiculous ๐Ÿคฏ! First off, what's up with the LAFD not having a better system for reporting back to their superiors? I mean, we're talking about a small brush fire that got out of control and caused so much damage... it's like they were all just winging it. And now there's this new chief Jamie Moore coming in and trying to sweep everything under the rug with some half-hearted investigation ๐Ÿšซ.

And what's with the delay in sending out emergency warnings? A "test" alert meant for South Pasadena got sent to everyone in LA county instead? That's not just a mistake, that's an embarrassment ๐Ÿ˜ณ. And now we're supposed to believe that this is going to improve our preparedness and response? Give me a break ๐Ÿ™„.

I'm all for accountability, but if you want to get serious about fixing the LAFD, you need to dig deeper than just hiring some new people with fancy titles ๐Ÿ’ผ. We need real change, not just Band-Aid solutions that don't fix anything ๐Ÿ˜’.
 
๐Ÿš’๐Ÿ”ฅ u know i was livin in la for a bit back in 2018 & remember that brush fire near palm trees in santa monica... everyone was so scared ๐Ÿคฏ it ended up getting contained but still all those firefighters were out there riskin their lives ๐Ÿ’”. now it sounds like the same kinda thing happened with the palisades fire & i gotta say, if u ask me the city should be lookin at gettin a new emergency response system ASAP ๐Ÿ”Š๐Ÿ“ž no more tech issues that could cost lives or property ๐Ÿšซ what's goin on is just too unacceptable ๐Ÿ‘Ž
 
๐Ÿš’๐Ÿ˜’ I mean, what's up with this whole thing? The LAFD leaves a smoldering fire site just one day after it breaks out and then BAM! A massive Palisades fire goes on to kill 12 people and destroy thousands of homes... ๐Ÿ˜ฑ It's like they're playing a game of fire roulette. And now the mayor's appointed some new chief to investigate, but I'm not buying it. What needs an investigation is the fact that the department still can't get their emergency warning systems right ๐Ÿšจ๐Ÿ’ป. I mean, a test alert was sent to EVERYONE in LA county by accident? That's just embarrassing. And what about all the tech issues and bureaucratic red tape that might have contributed to this mess? We need answers, not just some PR spin from the city. ๐Ÿค”
 
๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜ฑ I'm still trying to wrap my head around what happened with the LAFD's response to the Lachman fire ๐Ÿคฏ. It's just not right that firefighters were told to leave the site despite knowing it was a bad idea because of visible smoldering ๐Ÿ˜ก. And now we're hearing about 12 people lost their lives and over 6,800 structures destroyed ๐Ÿ’”. The fact that someone has been arrested for starting the Lachman fire doesn't change the fact that the department's response was woefully inadequate ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ.

And what's with all these changes to the emergency warning system? ๐Ÿšจ It's not just a technical issue, it's a matter of life and death. If they can't even get that right, how can we trust them to respond to real emergencies? ๐Ÿค”

The city is trying to spin this as a learning experience, but I don't see how appointing a new permanent chief is going to fix everything ๐Ÿ’ช. What we need is an independent investigation that gets to the bottom of what went wrong and makes sure it doesn't happen again ๐Ÿ”.

And let's not forget about Jamie Moore's reputation... ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ I'm not saying he's at fault or anything, but isn't he the last person you want investigating a scandal involving his own department? ๐Ÿ™„
 
I'm low-key worried about this whole Lachman fire situation ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ”ฅ. The fact that firefighters were told to leave the scene early despite smoldering embers is wild. I mean, can't you just think of all the people who lost their homes and loved ones? It's like, what's the protocol here? Are they just trying to rush through things? ๐Ÿš’๐Ÿ’จ

And now there's a new chief coming in, which is cool, but we need to know more about what happened before he gets started. I feel like this whole thing is being swept under the rug. A full investigation would be way better than just having a permanent chief do an internal review. It's not enough, fam ๐Ÿ˜’.

Also, have you seen those emergency warning system issues? Like, how can you mess up something that important? ๐Ÿ“ฃ๐Ÿ˜ณ It's a major red flag for me. We need to make sure our first responders are doing everything they can to keep us safe, not just going through the motions. ๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿฝ
 
๐Ÿค” I mean, can't you just feel the urgency to get to the bottom of this? Like, an independent investigation is just a no-brainer at this point. ๐Ÿš’๐Ÿ’จ I'm not saying Jamie Moore's got nothing to worry about, but a bit more transparency wouldn't hurt, right? Maybe someone can explain to me why they thought sending out that test alert was a good idea... ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ
 
idk what's going on with the LAFD rn, this whole situation is so suspicious ๐Ÿค” they're just rolling up their hoses and leaving a smoldering fire site? that's not right at all! need some solid sources on this one, can't just take Bass' word for it. Yaroslavsky makes a valid point about the 9/11 analogy tho, fires are unpredictable but that doesn't mean they should be handled like this. and what's up with those emergency warning system issues? shouldn't be sending out test alerts to everyone in LA county ๐Ÿ“ข meanwhile, ppl lost their homes and lives in the Palisades fire... need an independent investigation ASAP ๐Ÿ‘ฎโ€โ™€๏ธ
 
Wow ๐Ÿš’๐Ÿ’ฅ I'm really surprised by all these questions about the LAFD's response to the Lachman fire. It seems like they made a huge mistake by leaving the site so soon, especially with smoldering grounds and concerns from firefighters themselves. 12 lives lost and over 6,800 structures destroyed is just devastating ๐Ÿค•. Now with Jamie Moore at the helm, I hope there will be some real changes made to prevent this kind of disaster in the future ๐Ÿ’ช
 
๐Ÿš’๐Ÿ˜ฌ I mean, come on, this is a no-brainer! The LAFD's initial response to the Lachman fire was absolutely botched. Leaving a smoldering fire site just one day after it broke out? That's like playing with fire (pun intended) and expecting everyone else to be fine. And don't even get me started on the whole 'leaving the site despite concerns' thing - that's just reckless. The Palisades fire was devastating, and it's clear that something went seriously wrong here.

I'm not surprised that some people are calling for an independent investigation, but I think we should be going way beyond that. We need to take a hard look at the entire system and figure out what went wrong, then make some serious changes. The fact that we're still having this conversation five years after the Lachman fire is just unacceptable.

And while I get that Jamie Moore's appointment is a step in the right direction, let's be real - it's not like throwing someone into the ring and expecting them to magically fix everything overnight. We need some serious structural changes here, not just a Band-Aid solution. ๐Ÿ’ก๐Ÿ”ฅ
 
I'm getting really uneasy about this whole thing ๐Ÿค•. I mean, 8 acres of brushfire is no joke, especially when you consider how quickly it re-ignited and contributed to another massive blaze. It's wild that firefighters were ordered to leave the site despite knowing there was still smoldering going on... it just doesn't add up ๐Ÿ’ก.

And let's not forget about those technical issues with emergency warning systems ๐Ÿ“ž. I'm all for new tools and processes, but how do we know they're actually gonna work? We need transparency and accountability here, especially after something like this happens ๐Ÿค”.

I don't think one investigation is enough, even if it's led by the city's new permanent chief ๐Ÿ‘ฎโ€โ™‚๏ธ. We need to hear from external parties too, you know? Someone who's not affiliated with the fire department or the city government. Otherwise, we're just gonna keep on speculating and wondering what really went down ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ.

This whole situation is a total head-scratcher ๐Ÿ”ฎ. I'm all for progress, but it seems like we need to take a step back and reassess our emergency response procedures before we can move forward ๐Ÿ’จ.
 
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