Hand shape in Indonesian cave may be world's oldest known rock art

Faded outline of a hand on Indonesian cave wall sparks debate over its age and purpose.

The discovery in Liang Metanduno, a limestone cave on Sulawesi's south-eastern peninsula, may have shed light on the origins of Australia's Indigenous population. The ancient hand stencil, estimated to be at least 67,800 years old, has raised questions about human migration from Sunda to Sahul.

Archaeologists believe that humans first traversed Sulawsi by taking a northern route across the island. This theory is supported by other cave paintings on the island, including one dated to at least 51,200 years ago. The images depict three human-like figures and a wild pig, providing valuable insights into the lives of our ancient ancestors.

The hand stencil itself was created using ochre mixed with water sprayed onto the cave wall through a handheld brush. Researchers have discovered that similar stencils were made by Neanderthals in Spanish caves around 64,000 years ago. However, not all experts agree on the significance of this discovery.

Some argue that the tweaks to the hand stencil make it complex and therefore likely created by Homo sapiens. This would suggest that modern humans have been in Australia for at least 65,000 years, contradicting some theories about human migration.

Other researchers believe that the pointy-fingered design may have resulted from natural movements of the hand rather than intentional modification. As Prof Paul Pettitt noted, "To call this complex is rather over-interpreting the hand stencil."

Despite the debate surrounding its purpose and age, the Liang Metanduno hand stencil remains an intriguing discovery that sheds light on our shared human history.
 
๐Ÿค” So I'm reading about this cave wall in Indonesia with a 67,800-year-old hand stencil and I'm like, how old is this thing? ๐Ÿ•ฐ๏ธ Can we even trust the dating methods used here? Like, what's the margin of error on that estimate? And what makes them think it was made by humans anyway? The whole "Homo sapiens created this complex design" argument just seems kinda convenient to me ๐Ÿ˜’

I'm also confused about why some researchers are so quick to dismiss the possibility that it was just a natural movement of the hand. Like, isn't that just as possible? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ And what about the similarities with Neanderthal stencils in Spanish caves? Can we assume those were made by the same people or something?

I need more sources on this one before I can even begin to form an opinion ๐Ÿ’ก Can someone point me to some reliable studies or articles that break down the methods and findings in detail? ๐Ÿ“š
 
๐Ÿค” I'm both fascinated and confused by this discovery. Like, what's up with the tweaked hand stencil? Is it really made by modern humans or was it just a weird natural occurrence? ๐Ÿ™ƒ I mean, 65k years is a huge chunk of time, but at the same time, it feels like we're already overcomplicating things. Can't we just appreciate that our ancient ancestors were creative and artistic without trying to pin down every little detail? ๐ŸŽจ๐Ÿ‘
 
๐Ÿค” I'm like totally stoked about this new discovery in Sulawesi ๐ŸŒด, but at the same time, I'm super skeptical about it... Like, how do we even know if it's not just some old rock with a weird shape? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ And what's up with these tweaks to the hand stencil - are they really that complex or is it just our brains playing tricks on us? ๐Ÿคฏ

I mean, I love that it might be older than we thought and could help us understand human migration... but on the other hand, I don't want to get too excited about it until we know more. And let's be real, if we do find out it was made by Homo sapiens, doesn't that just mean our ancestors were way smarter and cooler than we are? ๐Ÿ˜Ž

But at the same time... ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ I don't think we should overthink it too much - maybe it's just a simple hand stencil that some ancient person made without realizing what a big deal it would be later on. And who knows, maybe this discovery will lead to even more awesome finds and insights into our shared human history... ๐Ÿ’ก
 
idk about this one... 67k yrs old? thats wild ๐Ÿ’ฅ but like, what if it wasnt even made by homosapiens? maybe some other ancient human did it ๐Ÿค” and we're just overthinking it ๐Ÿ™ƒ I mean, the tweaks to the stencil do make it look complex, but is that really proof of sapiens involvement? ๐Ÿค” also, what about those natural hand movements? could be legit ๐Ÿ˜‚ anyway, its still a pretty cool find, even if we dont fully understand it yet ๐ŸŽจ
 
idk how old u think it is... 67k+ yrs old seems like a lotta time ๐Ÿ˜‚. but seriously, this find has me wondering... if humans were already in aus 65k+ yrs ago, does that mean they were all ready to hang out in the land down under from day one? ๐Ÿค” or was there some kinda gradual migration thing goin' on?
 
"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce." - Karl Marx
๐Ÿคฏ This ancient hand stencil is like a puzzle piece that's still being studied, and I'm excited to see how it'll all fall into place. The fact that similar stencils were made by Neanderthals in Spanish caves around 64,000 years ago shows just how long our human history goes back. It's like, what did our ancient ancestors even do up there? ๐Ÿ˜‚ "To call this complex is rather over-interpreting the hand stencil" โ€“ Prof Paul Pettitt, I'm living for that straightforward approach! ๐Ÿ’ฏ
 
omg can you believe the latest find in Indonesia ?? ๐Ÿคฏ they got a 67k+ year old hand stencil on the wall of this cave and ppl are freaking out about it !! apparently, some think its proof that modern humans were already in Australia for like 65k years which would totally change the game when it comes to understanding human migration ! ๐ŸŒŽ meanwhile, others think its just a random natural occurrence lol what do u guys think ? should we be stoked or skeptical ?? ๐Ÿค”
 
omg I'm literally fascinated by this discovery ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ”ฅ the idea that humans have been in Australia for at least 67,800 years is mind-blowing! it's like we're uncovering pieces of a puzzle that's been hidden for so long ๐Ÿงฉ and the fact that this hand stencil has sparked such debate among experts just shows how much we still have to learn about our shared human history ๐Ÿคฏ

I can totally see why some researchers are skeptical, though - those tweaks to the hand stencil could be really subtle, and it's easy to misinterpret something that old ๐Ÿ” but at the same time, I'm not sure I agree with Prof Pettitt when he says we're over-interpreting the design... isn't it cool that we get to see these ancient artworks up close? ๐ŸŽจ

anyway, this discovery is just another reminder of how much our ancestors had to navigate and adapt to in order to survive - and it's a really beautiful thing that their stories are still being uncovered today โค๏ธ
 
omg can u believe the hand stencil in indonesia is estimated to be like 67k yrs old lol if thats true it would mean australia's indig people have been there way longer than we thought ๐Ÿคฏ but at the same time i feel like we're overthinking this whole thing - maybe its just a natural movement of the hand and not some complex design made by homosapiens ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ what do u think tho? are we reading too much into it or is there more to it than meets the eye? ๐Ÿ˜
 
I'm like totally torn about this whole thing ๐Ÿคฏ๐Ÿ’ญ. I mean, on one hand, it's pretty mind-blowing to think that humans might have been in Australia for at least 65k years โฐ๐ŸŒณ, but then again, some people are all like "wait, maybe it was just a natural movement of the hand" ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ‘Ž. I don't know, man... it's all so confusing ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ“. And what if we're even overthinking it? Maybe it's just a stencil, you know? ๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ’โ€โ™€๏ธ. But at the same time, I mean, 67k years old is wild ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฎ, and it could totally change our understanding of human migration... or not ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ. Ugh, my brain hurts ๐Ÿ˜“๐Ÿคฏ.
 
๐Ÿค” I'm loving this development in the field of archaeology! Did you know that a similar hand stencil was found in Brindabella Cave in Australia around 65,000 years ago? ๐ŸŒณ That's crazy to think about humans being in Australia for that long time already!

Anyway, back to Liang Metanduno... those cave paintings are giving me major vibes of our ancestors' way of life. Like, who knew wild pigs were a thing back then ๐Ÿ˜‚. Anyway, I'm curious about the argument between the Homo sapiens and Neanderthals experts. It's like, can we just appreciate the awesomeness of it all without debating the finer points? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ

Here are some stats to put this discovery into perspective:

* 67,800 years old: That's older than me, let alone my parents ๐Ÿ˜ฑ
* 51,200 years ago: Another ancient cave painting on Sulawesi, showcasing our ancestors' artistic skills ๐ŸŽจ
* 64,000 years ago: Neanderthals were also making similar stencils in Spanish caves โ€“ talk about a human connection ๐Ÿค

I'm just excited to see more discoveries like this and learn from them! ๐Ÿ’ก
 
๐Ÿค” The truth is, most people don't know what they want to do with their lives until they've found it. ~ Unknown

I think this ancient hand stencil is like a puzzle piece we never knew was missing. It makes me wonder how many other secrets are hidden in those Indonesian caves waiting to be uncovered. If we can learn more about our ancestors, maybe we'll also learn more about ourselves ๐ŸŒŸ
 
Its crazy to think about how old that hand stencil is ๐Ÿคฏ like, 67k+ years old! I'm curious about this ancient human migration thingy... so if the northern route theory holds true, it's possible that modern humans have been in Australia for a while already? But on the other hand, the tweaks to the stencil could mean its actually a Neanderthal thing... idk, maybe its all just about how our brains process info ๐Ÿค”. I love how archaeologists are still trying to figure this out and shed light on human history ๐ŸŒŸ
 
omg 67k yrs old hand stencil in indonesia? sounds like something out of a primordial soup lol ๐Ÿคฃ seriously though, it's wild to think that this could be proof of humans migrating from sumatra to australia. but at the same time, i'm not buying the whole "complex design" thing... i mean, it's just a hand ๐Ÿคธโ€โ™‚๏ธ. and prof paul pettitt is low-key my spirit animal with that "over-interpreting" comment ๐Ÿ˜‚ anyway, can't wait for more discoveries like this to shed some light on our human history ๐Ÿ’ก
 
OMG, can u believe it?! ๐Ÿคฏ The new discovery in Sulawesi's cave is giving me major mind blown vibes! ๐Ÿ˜ฒ 67,800 years old? That's ancient! ๐Ÿ•ฐ๏ธ I mean, I've heard of the Aboriginal Australians being around for thousands of years, but this is on another level. ๐Ÿ’ฅ It's crazy to think about how our ancestors were living in Australia that long ago. ๐ŸŒด The hand stencil itself is so cool - who knew that humans back then could create art using just ochre and water? ๐Ÿ’ซ And the fact that it's similar to Neanderthal stencils in Spanish caves is just mind-blowing! ๐Ÿคฏ I'm loving all the excitement around this discovery, even if some experts are debating its significance. ๐Ÿ’ก Either way, it's giving me all the history nerd vibes ๐Ÿ˜Š
 
๐Ÿค” This whole thing has got me thinking about how old these ancient humans really were, like, did they even exist back then? ๐Ÿ˜ฒ I mean, 67,800 years is a big number and it's crazy to think that we're still trying to figure out what kind of hand gestures people used back in the day. And can you imagine actually painting that stencil on with ochre mixed with water? It's like they were little artists or something! ๐ŸŽจ

But seriously, the fact that these stencils have turned up in different parts of the world and are similar to what Neanderthals did is wild. I think it says a lot about how our human ancestors were connected, you know? They must've been super social and stuff.

And then there's this debate about whether Homo sapiens made that hand stencil or not... ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ It's like, do we even need to overthink this thing? Maybe it was just a natural movement of the hand and they didn't even think about it. But at the same time, if it's complex enough to be considered "complex" then maybe Homo sapiens did make it after all. ๐Ÿค“

Anyway, I'm just gonna keep on reading and learning more about this stuff because it's honestly really fascinating! ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
 
I'm still trying to wrap my head around how old this hand stencil is ๐Ÿคฏ 67,800 years?! That's even older than I am ๐Ÿ˜‚. It makes me wonder if there are more hidden gems like this waiting to be discovered in other parts of the world. The idea that humans may have been migrating from Sunda to Sahul is also really interesting. But at the same time, it's crazy how complex some of these ancient stencils can look... I mean, was it a Homo sapiens thing or just natural movement? ๐Ÿค” Either way, it's clear that our ancestors were super creative and resourceful back in the day ๐Ÿ’ก. And who knows, maybe this discovery will help us rewrite history books about human migration ๐Ÿ“š๐Ÿ’ป
 
I think it's a bit weird that everyone's making such a big deal about the age of this hand stencil ๐Ÿค”... 67,800 years old is crazy, no doubt, but I'm not convinced it's as old as they claim ๐Ÿ’โ€โ™€๏ธ. I mean, archaeologists are super good at dating stuff and all, but what if there's some natural reason why the paint just happened to look older than it really is? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ And also, can we please take a chill pill about whether or not Homo sapiens made this stencil? It's one thing to say it might be complex, but another thing entirely to assume it was made by them without more proof ๐Ÿ’ก. Can't we just appreciate the fact that humans were already rocking hand stencils back in the day ๐Ÿ˜Ž?
 
๐Ÿค” I'm thinking, if we consider the tweaks to the hand stencil are just natural movement of the hand, it's kinda cool how our ancestors were still able to create art back then using something as simple as a handheld brush and water ๐ŸŽจ๐Ÿ’ง. On the other hand, if it's indeed Homo sapiens created that stencil, it would be a game-changer for Australia's Indigenous population history, especially when considering they've been living there for at least 65k years ๐Ÿ˜ฎ. But let's keep in mind, we don't know all the facts yet, so I'm keeping an open mind ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ. What do you guys think about it? Should we be calling that hand stencil a work of art or just a random natural movement? ๐Ÿค”
 
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