Beyond Keane's stick-it-up-your-bollocks, there isn't much else to Saipan | Jonathan Wilson

The recent release of Glenn Leyburn's and Lisa Barros D'Sa's film "Saipan" about the infamous row between Roy Keane and Mick McCarthy before the 2002 World Cup has left many questioning the point of the dramatized scenes. The film is obsessed with detail, recreating interviews, press conferences, and even reproducing the players' kits with eerie accuracy. However, it is the inaccuracies in plotting and motivation that truly raise eyebrows.

The script takes liberties with historical events, such as Keane's motivations for speaking out against McCarthy's management style. In reality, there was no dispute over Ireland's national identity or cultural heritage. The film's portrayal of McCarthy as an out-of-touch, lovable character is also inaccurate, given his actual role in the team.

The film's director, Leyburn, has opted to focus on recreating the atmosphere and tensions within the team rather than accurately depicting the events that led up to the row. This approach raises questions about why the drama was needed at all, especially when the actual footage exists.

By dramatizing scenes that did not occur as depicted, the film's creators have created a narrative that feels artificial and contrived. The most engaging moments come from contemporary clips, which provide texture and context to the story. However, these are interspersed with scenes that feel like an aesthetic experiment rather than a genuine attempt to recreate historical events.

The film's failure to adequately address the complexities of the issue and its tendency to simplify motivations into simplistic drama raises questions about the role of dramatization in history. Is it possible for audiences to form a genuine understanding of events through dramatized narratives, or do these render the complexity of history inaccessible?

Ultimately, "Saipan" feels like a missed opportunity to explore one of Irish football's most infamous incidents in an honest and nuanced way. Instead, we are left with a film that struggles to reconcile its desire for accuracy with its need for drama.
 
Ugh, I'm so underwhelmed by this movie ๐Ÿค”. I get why they wanted to recreate the atmosphere and tensions within the team, but come on, can't we just stick to the facts? The film's focus on detail is impressive, but it feels like they're more interested in showing off their research than actually telling a good story ๐Ÿ˜’. And don't even get me started on the liberties they took with Keane and McCarthy's motivations... I mean, who does that? ๐Ÿ™„ It just feels like a lazy attempt at drama, you know? The real footage is way more compelling than any dramatized scenes ๐Ÿ’ป. I'm all for exploring history in an engaging way, but this film just falls short for me ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ.
 
I mean I get why they wanted to make this film but honestly it felt like a bunch of old clips strung together ๐Ÿ“บ. I think if they just stuck to the actual footage instead of trying to create drama out of thin air, the movie would've been way better. And can we talk about how they misrepresented Roy Keane and Mick McCarthy? Like, I know there was some tension between them but this portrayal is just off ๐Ÿ’โ€โ™‚๏ธ. It's like they wanted to make a cool biopic out of a basically insignificant football incident ๐Ÿ€. Not impressed with the end result... ๐Ÿ‘Ž
 
I'm so underwhelmed by "Saipan". I mean, I love a good sports movie, but this one feels like it's more about showing off the filmmakers' attention to detail than actually telling a compelling story ๐Ÿค”. I get that they wanted to recreate the atmosphere and tension within the team, but do we really need all those dramatized scenes? Can't we just stick to the actual footage and interviews? It's like they're trying to make us feel like we're part of the drama rather than just watching a movie about a famous football row ๐Ÿ˜. And honestly, I think they oversimplified things way too much - it's not that easy to reduce the complexities of a situation like that into a simplistic drama. It's like they're more interested in making a visually stunning film than actually exploring the actual events and emotions involved ๐Ÿ’”.
 
omg u guys i just watched saipan and i'm lowkey confused ๐Ÿ˜ the attention to detail is insane but like how did they even know what roy keane's kit looked like in 2002? ๐Ÿคฃ anyway the whole point of making a film about this was to tell a story not just show some old vids yeah idk maybe it's just me but i'm good with the actual footage they already got from back then ๐Ÿ‘
 
I FEEL LIKE THE FILM IS JUST A MESS ๐Ÿคฏ! THEY'RE TRYING TO RECREATE THESE INTENSE MOMENTS FROM THE WORLD CUP, BUT IT JUST COMES ACROSS AS ARTIFICIAL & CONTRIVED ๐ŸŽฅ. I GET THAT THEY WANTED TO CAPTURE THE ATMOSPHERE OF THE TEAM, BUT DID THEY REALLY NEED TO TAKE LIBERITIES WITH THE SCRIPT? IT'S LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE A POINT, BUT END UP LOOSING THE MESSAGE ๐Ÿค”. AND WHY DO WE NEED DRAMAICALLY RECREATE SCENES THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?! IT JUST FEELS LIKE THEY WERE GOING FOR AN AESTHETIC EXPERIMENT RATHER THAN TELLING A GENUINE STORY ๐ŸŽจ
 
๐Ÿค” I mean, I was really hyped to see this movie, but now I'm kinda disappointed ๐Ÿ˜. The attention to detail is insane, like they really got into the nitty-gritty of it all. But at the same time, they took some major creative liberties that just feel whack ๐Ÿคฏ. I get what the director was going for, trying to capture the tension and atmosphere, but come on, do we need dramatized scenes that didn't even happen? ๐Ÿ™„ The film's more interested in looking cool than actually telling a true story. And honestly, it feels like they watered down some of the more complex issues surrounding Keane and McCarthy's disagreement ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ. It's all just a bit...over-the-top ๐ŸŽฅ. Can't we get a more balanced look at this in a documentary or something? ๐Ÿ“บ
 
๐Ÿค” I'm not sure what's more striking about this film - the level of detail that went into recreating every aspect of the players' kits or how they managed to make such drastic changes to the actual story. It's like they wanted to create an immersive experience but ended up creating a fictional one instead ๐ŸŽฌ. The problem is, it feels like they're more interested in being meticulous about aesthetics than actually telling the truth ๐Ÿ’ผ. Can't we just have documentaries where the events unfold naturally? ๐Ÿ“น This film makes me wonder if dramatization is always necessary to make history engaging... what's the real cost of creative liberties when it comes to historical accuracy? ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ
 
I mean I get why they made the movie, it's all about capturing the tension and stuff but sometimes I feel like they're more focused on getting a good dramatic scene out of it than actually telling the real story ๐Ÿค”... I love how they included some of the actual interviews and whatnot, that was really cool, but at the same time, you can tell they took some liberties with the timeline and the motivations behind things, which kinda makes me wonder why they even bothered dramatizing scenes that didn't actually happen ๐Ÿ˜
 
I just watched "Saipan" & I gotta say, it was like they took all the drama outta the 2002 World Cup row ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ’ฌ But seriously tho, what's up w/ dramatizing scenes that didn't even happen? It's like they prioritized art over accuracy ๐ŸŽจ๐Ÿ‘Ž The film's got some great moments, like the old press conferences & kits, but it feels so artificial when they introduce 'dramatic' scenes #SaipanFail #DramaVsAccuracy
 
๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ I'm just so meh about this movie... it's like they tried 2 hard 2 be realistic but ended up makin it feel fake ๐ŸŽฅ. I mean, come on, Roy Keane was NOT a hero just cuz he spoke out against his manager ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ. And that scene with the press conference? totally not how it went down ๐Ÿ“ฐ. The film's all about atmosphere n tension but it feels like they prioritized drama over actual facts ๐Ÿค”. I mean, we already have footage of those players from 2002... why dramatize what didn't even happen? ๐Ÿ˜’
 
๐Ÿค” I'm not sure why they felt the need to dramatize things that didn't actually happen... it feels like they just wanted to make it into a movie, you know? ๐ŸŽฅ And yeah, some of those scenes just feel weirdly out of place, like they're there for no reason other than to add drama. ๐Ÿคฏ I mean, can't we just have documentaries or something where people tell us what really happened without embellishing it all up? ๐Ÿ“บ It's not that hard, right? ๐Ÿ˜
 
๐Ÿค” I'm telling ya, this whole thing stinks to me ๐Ÿšฎ. The more I think about it, the more I realize they're trying to distract us from something bigger ๐Ÿค‘. I mean, what's up with these "dramatized scenes" that aren't even based on real events? It's like they're trying to create a narrative where none exists ๐Ÿ˜’. And don't even get me started on the kits and interviews โ€“ it's all just a bunch of red herrings ๐Ÿšซ. I think Leyburn is hiding something, and this film is just a smokescreen ๐ŸŒช๏ธ. It's like they're trying to control what we know about that infamous row between Keane and McCarthy. Wake up, sheeple! ๐Ÿ‘€
 
I gotta say, I'm pretty underwhelmed by this movie ๐Ÿค”. I mean, I've seen some dramatizations of historical events before, but this one just feels like it's trying way too hard to recreate every minute detail ๐Ÿ“บ. Newsflash: sometimes less is more, right? The actual footage and interviews are where the magic happens, not these staged scenes that feel like they were ripped straight outta a soap opera ๐Ÿ˜ณ.

And I'm with you on how they oversimplified Roy Keane's motivations - what really happened was that he was just fed up with the whole situation, not some deeply personal identity crisis ๐Ÿ™„. And don't even get me started on Mick McCarthy being portrayed as some lovable bumbler... that's just not accurate at all ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ.

I'm curious to know what they were going for here - was it just about capturing the atmosphere and tension within the team, or was there a real story to be told? Because from where I'm sitting, it feels like they took some creative liberties that didn't really add up ๐Ÿ˜.
 
๐Ÿค” I mean, the more I think about it, the more I'm like "why did they dramatize it if we already have the actual footage?" ๐Ÿ“น It's like they wanted to add some extra tension or something, but instead it just comes off as made-up. And don't even get me started on how accurate it is... I mean, Roy Keane wasn't even mad about Ireland's national identity! ๐Ÿ˜‚ It just feels like they took creative liberties for the sake of drama, and that can be really frustrating if you're a true fan of the story. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ Maybe they could've done a better job explaining the motivations behind Keane's actions or something...
 
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