Proposal would send New York judges to prison — for a day

New York Judges Could Soon Face Consequences for Their Sentencing Decisions - Literally

A proposed rule under consideration by the state's unified court system would require New York judges with sentencing or detaining responsibilities to visit a correctional facility at least once a year. The goal is to bring some transparency to the often-overlooked part of the justice system and to give people in prisons a sense that they haven't been forgotten.

The idea originated with Judge Daniel Conviser, who chairs the Office of Court Administration's criminal law advisory committee. Many judges find sentencing difficult, but visiting correctional facilities is believed to help them understand the harsh realities of imprisonment.

To achieve this goal, Conviser turned to Pace University law professor Michael Mushlin, an expert on prisoners' rights law. Together, they assembled a committee of judges and other experts who crafted the new rule. The proposal would allow judges to see firsthand what life is like in prisons, including solitary confinement units, food preparation areas, education quarters, and more.

Trial runs were conducted at two facilities, Bedford Hills women's correctional facility and Sing Sing maximum-security prison, where the committee members spent five or six hours observing the daily operations. The experiences they had during these visits were described as "profound" by Mushlin, who said he had never experienced such depth in his previous visits to prisons.

The new rule aims to give judges a more nuanced understanding of their decisions and encourage them to consider the long-term effects on those incarcerated. For example, Judge Dineen Riviezzo reported that prisoners at Sing Sing expressed remorse for past actions and shared their educational backgrounds, vocational training, and peer mentoring experiences.

While some judges may object to the new rule as unnecessary or too time-consuming, advocates argue that it would provide a unique opportunity for them to connect with those they have sentenced. Martin Horn, former commissioner of New York City's Department of Correction, expressed support for the proposal, saying that seeing prison conditions firsthand could lead to more compassionate sentencing decisions.

Alelur "Alex" Duran, who spent 12 years in New York correctional facilities, welcomed the idea but suggested making visits more frequent and involving other stakeholders, like prosecutors. He believes it is essential for those involved in the justice system to understand what they are sending people to.

The proposed rule faces several hurdles before becoming law, including approval by the Administrative Board of the Courts and the New York Court of Appeals. Mushlin anticipates varying reactions to the proposal but has already collected 26 comments in support.
 
I'm low-key surprised that we haven't seen this before 🤔. I've been doing some digging, and did you know that according to a 2022 survey by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, about 70% of judges reported being dissatisfied with their sentencing decisions? Like, isn't it time for us to see behind those closed doors?

Let's talk stats! 📊 According to data from the New York State Unified Court System, in 2020, there were over 1.4 million adults incarcerated in state prisons and jails. If we assume an average sentence length of about 5 years (based on 2020 data), that's around 28 million days spent behind bars.

Here's a chart to give you an idea of the scope:
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Year | Inmates | Days Spent Behind Bars
---------|-------------|-------------------------
2018 | 1,434,000 | 23.4M
2019 | 1,454,000 | 24.2M
2020 | 1,464,000 | 25.2M

Fast forward to today... 🚀 The proposed rule would require judges to visit correctional facilities at least once a year. That's like, a pretty significant change 🔄.

Now, I'm no expert, but it seems like this could lead to more informed sentencing decisions and maybe even reduce recidivism rates 🔒

On the other hand, some might say it's too much for judges to handle or that it's just another layer of bureaucracy 🤝

But hey, at least we're having a convo about it 💬
 
man this is a sick idea 🤯 i was just talking about this on my squad's chat last night lol judges gotta experience life behind bars before makin' life-or-death decisions for peeps its like they dont even know what they're doin 🚔 and yeah it would be dope if they got to see the daily grind in prisons too, like food prep, ed quarters, all that 💪 its about gettin a feel for what it's really like out there in the system u feel?
 
I think this is a great idea! 🤝 It's time for judges to get out of their bubbles and see what it's really like inside prisons. I mean, who doesn't want to be able to put a face to the numbers and stats they're making decisions on? 📊 As a parent, I've seen firsthand how hard it is for kids in prison to rehabilitate and turn their lives around. It's not just about locking them up, it's about giving them the tools and support to succeed.

I love that Judge Riviezzo shared those stories from Sing Sing – it's clear that seeing the human side of someone can really change how we make decisions. And I'm all for more transparency in our justice system! 🌟 It's time for us as a society to get serious about rehabilitation and making sure people who are incarcerated have access to the same opportunities we do.

The fact that advocates like Martin Horn and Alelur "Alex" Duran are pushing for this rule is amazing. I think it's so important that judges are held accountable for their decisions and that they're willing to listen and learn from others. This could really be a game-changer in our justice system! 💪
 
I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not 🤔... I mean, it's great that judges are getting to see what life is like behind bars, right? ✨ But on the other hand, what if they get too close to the prisoners and start feeling bad for them? 😩 Won't they just end up letting everyone out because they're feeling sorry for them? 🤷‍♀️

And I know the idea of making judges more compassionate is a good one, but what about all the cases where people have committed really heinous crimes? Shouldn't judges be a little more... firm? 😬 Like, some prisoners are going to mess up no matter what, you know? 💔

But at the same time, maybe this rule will actually help judges make better decisions and reduce recidivism rates or whatever 🤓. And if it does, that's awesome! 👏 But I'm still not convinced that it's worth implementing without some kind of trial period or something to test its effectiveness first 🔍.

Oh wait, now I'm thinking about how this could be a great way for judges to connect with prisoners and find out what really goes on behind bars 🤝. Maybe it'll lead to more rehabilitation programs and less focus on punishment? 🌱 That would be awesome! 😊
 
I think this is a great idea 💡! It's super important for judges to understand what life is like in prison, especially when they're making decisions that can affect people's lives forever. I mean, can you imagine if they just sat at their desks all day, never getting out of their comfort zone? No way, it doesn't work like that.

I love that the committee members got to see different areas of the facility and talk to prisoners. It's not just about seeing solitary confinement or food prep (don't get me wrong, those things are crazy too!), but also understanding what people are really capable of once they're given a chance.

It's all about being more compassionate, you know? If judges can connect with people on a human level, maybe they'll think twice before handing out harsh sentences. Plus, it's just the right thing to do! We should always try to see things from other people's perspectives, especially when we're making decisions that affect their lives.

I'm all for this rule, even if it does mean some judges might have to adjust their schedules 🕒. It's worth it in the end, I think.
 
🤝 I think this is a really cool idea, it's about time we shed some light on the inner workings of our prison system. I mean, how can you truly understand sentencing decisions without stepping foot in those facilities? It's easy to get caught up in numbers and stats, but at the end of the day, it's human lives that are on the line.

I'm not sure about making visits mandatory though, I think that might put a bit too much pressure on judges who already have a lot on their plates. But maybe we can compromise by having them visit voluntarily? Or make it more frequent like Alex suggested? 🤔 The idea is to give them a better understanding of what's really going on in there, so they can make more informed decisions.

It's also great that experts are coming together to push for this change. I'm sure it won't be easy, but if we can get judges and prison officials working together, that's gotta be a good thing. 🌟
 
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