Man City vs Liverpool: Why it's still reasonable to question decision to rule out Virgil van Dijk goal

The drama surrounding Virgil van Dijk's disallowed goal against Manchester City continues to reverberate among Liverpool fans, with many still grappling with the decision made by referee Chris Kavanagh and his team, including assistant referee Stuart Burt.

At the heart of the controversy is a crucial point that has yet to receive sufficient attention: who actually decided to rule out the goal? The answer lies in an audio transcript from Match Officials Mic'd Up, which reveals that Stuart Burt, the assistant referee, was not only the one who made the initial call but also the main driver behind it.

Burt's assertion that Robertson was "in line of vision" right in front of Donnarumma, with Van Dijk ducking under the ball and close to the goalkeeper, is questionable given his position 90 degrees away from the action. This raises serious doubts about Kavanagh's role as a passive participant in the decision-making process.

Moreover, it was Burt who essentially made the call on Robertson being "in line of vision" and subsequently led to the VAR system intervening with an offside verdict that confirmed the disallowed goal. The fact that Robertson was actually ducking under the ball rather than playing it means that Kavanagh's decision has been effectively overridden by Burt's initial judgment.

The implications of this are profound, particularly considering that determining a clear and obvious error in a non-factual decision requires an exceptionally high threshold, as noted by Howard Webb. From the moment Burt called out Robertson being "in line of vision," there was little room for reversal.

This raises questions about the VAR system's role and effectiveness, especially when it comes to offside decisions made by on-field officials rather than their own direct judgment. Given the complexity of these rules and the challenges in judging lines of sight, there is a need for more transparency around decision-making processes.

The case highlights that relying solely on technology can sometimes mask issues with human interpretation, particularly if those humans are not directly positioned to make informed judgments. It's crucial for football authorities to revisit and refine their processes to ensure fairness and consistency across matches.

While Howard Webb's assertion that the decision was "reasonable" is understandable, it's equally valid to question whether such a judgment can stand when there appears to be an inherent flaw in the way Robertson's offside status was assessed.
 
idk what's going on with this van dijk goal thing... so burt made the call and then var backpedaled? that just doesn't sit right ๐Ÿค” it's like they're passing the buck or something. and yeah, kavanagh just kinda stood there while burt did all the work... what even is his role in all this? he's not exactly directing the team ๐Ÿ™ƒ
 
idk how i feel about this whole situation ๐Ÿค”... i mean, van dijk gets denied a clear goal and everyone's all like "what did refs do wrong?" but honestly, it feels like burt's call kinda stands ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ... like, yeah robertson was definitely in donnarumma's line of sight but the way he said it seems kinda suspicious. i'm not saying kavanagh wasn't trying to make a good call or anything, but if burt is basically overriding his decision then something needs to change ๐Ÿ“... and btw, var can only do so much when there's a clear human error involved ๐Ÿ˜ฌ... might be time for some changes in the rules ๐Ÿ”„
 
.. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this one ๐Ÿคฏ. If Stuart Burt was making all those calls and Kavanagh is just sitting back, it feels like a joke ๐Ÿ˜‚. I mean, what's the point of having VAR if we're not gonna know who made that initial call? It's like they're just trying to hide something.

And don't even get me started on Burt's position during the game... 90 degrees away from the action! That's like me being a referee for my kid's soccer game and not actually watching the ball ๐Ÿคฃ. How can we trust his judgment?

I'm all for refining the VAR system, but this just highlights how much we need to know what's going on behind the scenes. It's not just about technology, it's about human interpretation... and sometimes that doesn't work out so well ๐Ÿ˜.

Remember when we used to have referees with common sense? ๐Ÿ™„ Now it feels like they're just puppets on strings, with VAR pulling all the strings ๐ŸŽถ. I guess that's progress or something...
 
omg u guys this van dikk goal controversy has me literally shook ๐Ÿคฏ i mean what even is goin on here? so i listened to that match officials mic'd up transcript and stuart burts claim about robertson bein in line of vision right front of donnarumma is like totally sus ๐Ÿ’โ€โ™‚๏ธ he's 90 degrees away from the action fam ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ how is that even possible? i feel so bad for rbs though ๐Ÿ˜” the fact that burt basically made the call and then var stepped in and confirmed it is wild ๐Ÿคฏ can't we just have more transparency around decision makin' processes? ๐Ÿค like why r they keepin it a secret from us fans? ๐Ÿ“ข
 
I think the VAR system needs a serious revamp ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ‘€. The fact that Stuart Burt made the initial call and then had it confirmed by the VAR system is super fishy ๐Ÿ˜. It's one thing to have technology help with accuracy, but when it overrides on-field officials' judgment, something's gotta change ๐Ÿ”„. We need more transparency around decision-making processes so we can trust the refs ๐Ÿ‘ฎโ€โ™‚๏ธ. The whole thing just feels like a big mess ๐Ÿคฏ...
 
I think it's pretty clear that Stuart Burt had a major say in disallowing that goal ๐Ÿ˜’. Like, if he wasn't making the call on Robertson being "in line of vision" then the whole VAR thing wouldn't have even kicked in. And honestly, from where I'm sitting (90 degrees away from the action) it doesn't look like Robertson was definitely offside ๐Ÿค”. It's all about perspective, you know? The fact that Burt was making this call without being directly involved in the game raises some serious doubts about Kavanagh's role in the whole thing ๐Ÿ™„.
 
๐Ÿค” So i'm still thinking about this van dijk goal controversy and im wondering if kavanagh was really just following orders ๐Ÿ™ƒ burt's mic'd up audio is crazy, 90 degrees away from the action and he's making the call on robertson being in line of vision? that's some serious bias right there ๐Ÿ˜’ what if kavanagh was just a puppet to burt's whistle? VAR system should be helping to correct errors not covering them up ๐Ÿคฎ it's all about transparency and fairness, you feel? ๐Ÿ™
 
this whole thing is so whack ๐Ÿคฏ i mean dont get me wrong virgil van dijk is a legend but this disallowed goal is still giving me major headaches ๐Ÿ™„ and it all comes down to stuart burt being like the real villain here ๐Ÿ‘Š he's basically admitted to making the call from 90 degrees away which is just not right ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ i think we need to get more transparency around how var decisions are made especially when they're based on what off-field officials see ๐Ÿ“น kavanagh and burt need to explain themselves better ๐Ÿ™
 
I'm still shook about that Man City goal ๐Ÿคฏ๐Ÿ†. I mean, if Stuart Burt was 90 degrees away from the action and made the call on Robertson being "in line of vision" ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ’ก, doesn't that kinda raise some flags? ๐Ÿšจ๐Ÿ‘ฎโ€โ™‚๏ธ Kavanagh just sat there and didn't do anything about it ๐Ÿ˜. The VAR system stepped in, but only because Burt's initial judgment was questionable ๐Ÿค”.

It's like the whole thing came down to a few seconds of human interpretation, which is crazy ๐Ÿ’ฅ. I mean, we need more transparency around decision-making processes, especially with VAR ๐Ÿ“Š๐Ÿ‘€. It's not just about tech, it's about humans making judgments that can be flawed ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ.

I think the authorities need to take a closer look at this ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ’ก and see if they can refine their processes so we get more fairness and consistency โšฝ๏ธ๐Ÿ”’. I mean, Howard Webb said the decision was "reasonable" ๐Ÿ˜Š, but is it really? ๐Ÿค”
 
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole thing ๐Ÿคฏ. I mean, Stuart Burt makes the call and then VAR chimes in with the offside verdict? That just doesn't sit right with me ๐Ÿ˜’. And what really gets me is that Kavanagh seems like he's just going through the motions ๐Ÿ‘€. Like, if Burt is 90 degrees away from the action, how can he even make an informed judgment? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ It's all about transparency and fairness in my book ๐Ÿ’ฏ.

And can we talk about how VAR is supposed to help, but really ends up making things more confusing? ๐Ÿ˜ฉ I mean, if the humans on the field are making mistakes, shouldn't they just own up to it and not rely on technology to back them up? ๐Ÿค” It's time for a shake-up in the officiating department, imo ๐Ÿ”’. They need to get their act together and make sure we're getting the right calls, not just the ones that suit the narrative ๐Ÿ“บ.

I'm not asking for much, just some clarity on how these decisions are made and who's ultimately responsible ๐Ÿ˜Š. It's time for the football authorities to step up and take a closer look at their processes ๐Ÿ’ช. Let's hope they do something about it before the next big game ๐ŸŽ‰!
 
I'm still reeling from that Manchester City vs Liverpool match ๐Ÿคฏ... I mean, who knew Stuart Burt had so much influence on Chris Kavanagh's decisions? ๐Ÿ˜ณ It just doesn't add up - Kavanagh's not even directly involved in the initial call and yet he gets to overrule it with VAR? ๐Ÿค” That's some pretty thin ice for an official.

And don't even get me started on how Burt was positioned - 90 degrees away from the action? ๐Ÿ™„ You can't seriously expect him to have a good view of what's going down. It's all so suspicious, and the fact that Robertson actually ducked under the ball kinda makes Kavanagh's call look super dodgy.

I'm not saying Howard Webb was wrong, but I think it's legit to question how this decision went down in the first place. We need more transparency around VAR decisions - like, who actually made what calls and why? ๐Ÿค” It's not just about relying on tech; human interpretation can be way off too if you're not right there on the pitch.

All I know is that football authorities gotta take a closer look at their processes to ensure fairness and consistency. We can't keep relying on VAR to fix our problems without really fixing them first ๐Ÿ’ฏ
 
I don't get why they need to mic 'em up so much. Like, what's wrong with just watching the game and making decisions? It sounds like it's all about who's got the last word, you know? Stuart Burt seems pretty sure he knows best, but how can we be sure that's not just bias talking?

I mean, imagine if my friend did something on my back and then said I was in their way. Would I believe them? Nope! It's like, why do we need VAR to make these decisions for us? Can't they just trust the ref to get it right?

And what's with all the talk about how hard it is to judge lines of sight? Like, couldn't Stuart Burt have looked at the game and thought maybe that was a close call before he made his call? It seems like there's always someone else getting in the way...literally!

Anyway, I don't know if I agree with Howard Webb or not. Can someone explain to me what's going on here? ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ’ก
 
I'm low-key still fuming about that Virgil van Dijk goal controversy ๐Ÿคฏ... like, who actually decided it was offside?! Stuart Burt's audio clip raises so many questions - how could he possibly be the one making this call when he's 90 degrees away from the action? And yeah, his assertion about Robertson being in line of vision just doesn't add up. It's all so fishy ๐ŸŸ... I think we need to take a closer look at VAR's role and processes - relying solely on tech can sometimes lead to misinterpretation, especially when it comes to offside decisions that require human judgment. We should be looking for more transparency and consistency in these situations ๐Ÿ‘€
 
i dont get why burt gets a free pass here ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ its all about whose word matters more, kavanaghs or bartts ๐Ÿค” i mean, if burt is 90 degrees away from the action and still makes the call that changes the game, shouldn't he be held accountable for his own bias? ๐Ÿค and whats with var stepping in like it knows best? its supposed to assist, not override a human judge's call ๐Ÿ˜ฌ
 
๐Ÿค” so yeah i think the var system needs a serious overhaul here... Stuart Burt being 90 degrees away from the action makes his call super questionable ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ and it just goes to show that relying on tech alone can lead to some pretty dodgy decisions ๐Ÿ’ป. i mean, if burt wasn't directly involved in the initial call, why did kavanagh let him get away with it? ๐Ÿ™„ we need more transparency around decision-making processes so we can actually see what's going on and figure out how to improve things ๐Ÿ”. maybe a system where var only intervenes after a human official has made their judgment could help prevent something like this from happening again ๐Ÿ”„
 
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